When you don’t create things, you become defined by your tastes rather than ability. Your tastes only narrow and exclude people. so create.

— Why the Lucky Stiff

@neauoire
I miss him.

I would say I should go back to learning Ruby, but I think the spirit of his philosophy can be found in other languages, such as Rebol, Factor, Racket, [every smalltalk variant], Newspeak, and of course, tal.

That said, I should learn Ruby again. It is the only Python I enjoy.

@CosmicTortoise I ended up thinking about him after flipping through Thinking Forth, I don't know many examples of things that are visually inclined to teach programmatic things.

@neauoire
I honestly think the problem with learning to program is the attitude of what programming is for.

Instead of another tool to think with, to create and explore with, it is simply a skillset needed for a job in technology.

How can people ever enjoy computing when all the programming jobs are so boring? Or when the operating system itself is hostile to making programs?

Or even more pathetically, getting told that you are wasting your time if they are not learning C, C++, or Java.

@CosmicTortoise @neauoire Not at all. For me programming is a toy with infintive amount of gamemodes. I love discovering new structures, trying out algorithms, or, if I am lucky, to create something truly useful for me and others. It's like the ability to do magic.
And like magic, one can do it responsibly and nicely or can mess it up real bad.
programming ≠ programming for salary

@grin @neauoire I failed to clarify that this is the attitude I have seen in my programming classes from 2 different universities, which are ancedotal at best, or representational at worst.

I suppose it all depends on the kind of agency you have at your job, and at what level you operate at. My professor always emphasized that you want to be the architect, never the builder.

I suppose like anything else, the only time you want your hobbies to be your work is when you are your own boss.

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@CosmicTortoise @neauoire Right. I also like to differentiate between programmers and coders, which is probably the same as you wrote.

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